I’m primarily focussed on the hygiene practices along with taking in the teachings, noticing how they inform/reshape thoughts and perceptions. Definitely keen on longer-term skillsets. Am also aware of how my time/attention is somewhat limited these days and I wouldn’t want to approach a dream container in a way that feels squeezed – but that’s on me to be realistic about my capacity.
Have had a dream practice for the last few years. Mainly intention setting prior to sleep and writing what ‘s recalled in the morning, tracking themes/symbols/characters and noticing how they coincide with other bodily/celestial cycles and what’s showing up in waking life. Seems a bit like a kindergartener’s thing compared to what you’re considering offering here.
Despite some financial blahs (CDN to US exchange, income recently reduced) I want to support your work and periodic lump sum donation is where it’s at for me. I wish I knew more people I think would vibe with it so I could share more widely.
i was in the first dao of the night cohort facilitated by erin and clarissa. the container of the course was helpful in providing structure to integrate ming's teachings. i second leah's comment about rearranging the order that the series is taught. i remember you mentioning that and it stuck with me. i had come across ming's recordings after he died and was listening to them alone for several years, so it was just nice to be in community. exploring teachings from multiple perspectives is helpful and i definitely benefit from hearing the same thing repeatedly. i really value your perspective and the space you create to practice within the context of our current global climate.
pricing wise--i prefer the option of single payment. i live in so-called canada so sometimes the exchange rate and fees impact my decision when to make a purchase.
i'm very interested in collaborating on building an archive of ming's recordings. i have a small collection--the dream series is the bulk of it, but there might be something else i can contribute.
i have almost everything from ming that's been released, plus a series of tecahings that was specifically private (apparently there are multiple such secret teaching series) - i have the gesar one that is about tibetan buddhism. the bulk of what's missing is the feng shui stuff that isn't hosted on da yuan and a few odds and ends.
i hear u on the canada thing, inflation in general is horrible, and i am trying to figure out a way to price things that allows many people to contribute and participate in a chill way...
right now i'm really focused on my basic conduct (building and maintaining supportive nutrition/cooking/disease management/sleeping/etc practices and a simple daily routine for seated practice). that has been a pretty slow endeavour, as it is being fought tooth and nail by a bunch of super dysfunctional pre-existing habits and compulsions. i'm interested to learn more practices that i could incorporate to support and build on that process.
i don't have a dream practice or know what it entails, but i've received a lot of benefit from daoist and other nondual view teachings and practices (e.g. trika shaivism via shambhavi), so i'm pretty open to learning about anything in that field. in fact, at this point i am almost more interested in the container / real-time human interaction aspect of it than i am in which specific nondual/animist practices are being taught. the nourishment of communing with others in real time (even if virtual) is really supportive of my personal conduct and inspires more devotion in my individual practice. like, making a commitment to a group (something bigger than "just me") shifts something in my system and automatically brings me into a more devotional mode. to me the biggest question of that is finding a time that will work with my (and others') schedule so we could actually be in real time with each other.
regarding pricing and monetary, i like to pay upfront whenever possible, but if it gets over a certain price (~300) i'd most likely need to do installments. i'd definitely be interested in providing partial funding toward the purchase of recordings, especially the feng shui, which i've become very curious about as a result of my polestar readings.
Having been in the dream course with you, I'm very interested on your transmission of the teachings. Something I'm still dancing with is my recall ability. It comes and goes, never consistent. (I know why, this isn't about that) So to work around or with this, I've leaned hard into the always-dreaming/wake-dream. This has been a really fun way to engage in reality and, after consistent practice, has become a more natural way of perceiving.
Something i've noticed about the course though is that we get hung up on interpretations when in a cohort. Not necessarily the course itself, but it happens before we get to the 5 eyes lesson. I remember our cohort spending a lot of time interpreting personal symbolisms. I feel like there could be more emphasis on moving passed the interpretations/meanings- the how and why. And sure it's helpful for diagnostics, but the western mind loves to attach itself to meanings and stories. Whether that's an issue of the participants, the facilitator, or the course, remains.
When you taught the 5 eyes in the death practice series, and even though it is covered at the end of the dream course, it definitely helped put more of what path dreaming is into fuller context. You've said you believe that lesson should be first, and I agree. I think it helps us get to the point a bit quicker.
Last autumn, when I was going through cancer treatment, I was recalling more. I had time to really rest. I had a true dream around mid January after treatment ended and it sort of rearranged what I was already practicing into this more succinct, less strenuous perception. It's also been pretty isolating in similar ways that you've mentioned.
I am currently in the bleeding circle with L and am appreciating having made a commitment, but also that there is a looseness around it and a "come as you are, but come" attitude about it. This may not be the right method for a course like this, but I'm noticing that my system appreciates the softness.
As far as the pricing/monetary issues-- A monthly payment is more manageable for me than a lump sum most times. I'm also interested in helping split costs for Ming's recordings, however, I cannot commit to that at this moment, but will be able in a few months from now. I did see your post about that in the old Dao of the Night fb group a couple months ago, and it's still in the back of my mind. I was planning on tackling the Healing Apprenticeship series this coming year, but I'm open
I’m really struggling to integrate what is already available.. (baby face)
lately I have this probably pointless ‘compare and contrast’ going on in my study between, what’s Buddhism about and what’s Daoism about, and although I won’t be able to perceive reality properly, which operating system results in the least harmful side effects, and then there’s the book by Krishnamurti about No belief and then there’s you. So your work is generally like a kind of neural nudge which is the most digestible as it is directed in real time with understanding of the really vexing symbol systems of western colonisation which coat every possible morsel of wisdom and make it indigestible. I can see why people’s communication would be so frustrating, we are always revealing ourselves. Words have caught us. I’m seemingly obsessed with the word ‘belief’. Anyway I know you have a vast back catalogue and from time to time pointing back to notable work you’ve already completed with reference to current reflections would help little-me. I do keep in mind donating for useful content and would like to share more of the fundamental stuff too. I think I may have found an IRL friend to help me with meditation practice so that’s cool, sorry this is really long comment
Yes, both orthodox buddhism and orthodox daoism are extremely complex: historically, politically, culturally as well as practically. Its a serious issue and thats why we see buddhism and other forms of wisdom get weaponized by narcissists and neo liberal white people.
I hear you and ive been there.
Ive read a lot of books, talked with various teachers, spent a lot of my very little money over the last ten years, etc.
If you really want to practice, i do think that getting some coaching or whatever u want to call it, with a teacher you resonate with is helpful. At least to narrow down which practices to focus on and where your narratives are getting in the way etc.
its a lot, and fear of sunk cost and also cultic issues are always in the field of possibility.
For instance, for me, as a guide/educator, many ppl over the years have fallen in love with me against my consent (parasocial relationships) and then very quickly turned to hatred and slander against me when i enact boundaries or correct their behaviors, understanding etc.
This shit is rampant in the society of self development and mysticism.
I’ve started noting down significant dreams recently but that’s as far as I’ve got - I’d love to learn a deeper skill set over time and would be very happy to pay monthly or a chunk at the beginning. Anti climactic clarity yes please! Thanks and solidarity with the bitter gristle chewing.
I'm just starting to work on basic hygiene, have been commiting to the daily seasonal practice (just barely) for about two months, including silent seated meditation, and I am currently in Jungian Analysis.
I have benefitted deeply from the recordings I have of your previous containers (I think I have the first five or six sessions) and I am interested in the dream yoga and all future Ming offerings.
I gather I'm (at least) years behind this cohort/container in terms of practice -- as opposed to surveying material and occasionally "trying out" practices you've offered (as well as other less valuable and perhaps even harmful week-end warrior type activities) which I've been doing for many years. I am trying to give my own solitary art and group movement practices more structure.
I would like to promote you and the work in ways that are in integrity.
Chronic health issues (sometimes) and earning money (always) takes their toll on me. When the timing and offering is right, I can usually pay up front to about $300.00 US, more than that requires some kind of plan.
It is probably not time yet for me to commit, honestly. My 2025 timeline includes the monthly subscriber sessions you are already offering and maybe other subscriber and individually paid work. I just wanted to join the roll call, even though I'm taking it all perhaps prohibitively slow.
I’m primarily focussed on the hygiene practices along with taking in the teachings, noticing how they inform/reshape thoughts and perceptions. Definitely keen on longer-term skillsets. Am also aware of how my time/attention is somewhat limited these days and I wouldn’t want to approach a dream container in a way that feels squeezed – but that’s on me to be realistic about my capacity.
Have had a dream practice for the last few years. Mainly intention setting prior to sleep and writing what ‘s recalled in the morning, tracking themes/symbols/characters and noticing how they coincide with other bodily/celestial cycles and what’s showing up in waking life. Seems a bit like a kindergartener’s thing compared to what you’re considering offering here.
Despite some financial blahs (CDN to US exchange, income recently reduced) I want to support your work and periodic lump sum donation is where it’s at for me. I wish I knew more people I think would vibe with it so I could share more widely.
i was in the first dao of the night cohort facilitated by erin and clarissa. the container of the course was helpful in providing structure to integrate ming's teachings. i second leah's comment about rearranging the order that the series is taught. i remember you mentioning that and it stuck with me. i had come across ming's recordings after he died and was listening to them alone for several years, so it was just nice to be in community. exploring teachings from multiple perspectives is helpful and i definitely benefit from hearing the same thing repeatedly. i really value your perspective and the space you create to practice within the context of our current global climate.
pricing wise--i prefer the option of single payment. i live in so-called canada so sometimes the exchange rate and fees impact my decision when to make a purchase.
i'm very interested in collaborating on building an archive of ming's recordings. i have a small collection--the dream series is the bulk of it, but there might be something else i can contribute.
cool.
i have almost everything from ming that's been released, plus a series of tecahings that was specifically private (apparently there are multiple such secret teaching series) - i have the gesar one that is about tibetan buddhism. the bulk of what's missing is the feng shui stuff that isn't hosted on da yuan and a few odds and ends.
i hear u on the canada thing, inflation in general is horrible, and i am trying to figure out a way to price things that allows many people to contribute and participate in a chill way...
right now i'm really focused on my basic conduct (building and maintaining supportive nutrition/cooking/disease management/sleeping/etc practices and a simple daily routine for seated practice). that has been a pretty slow endeavour, as it is being fought tooth and nail by a bunch of super dysfunctional pre-existing habits and compulsions. i'm interested to learn more practices that i could incorporate to support and build on that process.
i don't have a dream practice or know what it entails, but i've received a lot of benefit from daoist and other nondual view teachings and practices (e.g. trika shaivism via shambhavi), so i'm pretty open to learning about anything in that field. in fact, at this point i am almost more interested in the container / real-time human interaction aspect of it than i am in which specific nondual/animist practices are being taught. the nourishment of communing with others in real time (even if virtual) is really supportive of my personal conduct and inspires more devotion in my individual practice. like, making a commitment to a group (something bigger than "just me") shifts something in my system and automatically brings me into a more devotional mode. to me the biggest question of that is finding a time that will work with my (and others') schedule so we could actually be in real time with each other.
regarding pricing and monetary, i like to pay upfront whenever possible, but if it gets over a certain price (~300) i'd most likely need to do installments. i'd definitely be interested in providing partial funding toward the purchase of recordings, especially the feng shui, which i've become very curious about as a result of my polestar readings.
lets stay in contact as i dream up what might happen
Having been in the dream course with you, I'm very interested on your transmission of the teachings. Something I'm still dancing with is my recall ability. It comes and goes, never consistent. (I know why, this isn't about that) So to work around or with this, I've leaned hard into the always-dreaming/wake-dream. This has been a really fun way to engage in reality and, after consistent practice, has become a more natural way of perceiving.
Something i've noticed about the course though is that we get hung up on interpretations when in a cohort. Not necessarily the course itself, but it happens before we get to the 5 eyes lesson. I remember our cohort spending a lot of time interpreting personal symbolisms. I feel like there could be more emphasis on moving passed the interpretations/meanings- the how and why. And sure it's helpful for diagnostics, but the western mind loves to attach itself to meanings and stories. Whether that's an issue of the participants, the facilitator, or the course, remains.
When you taught the 5 eyes in the death practice series, and even though it is covered at the end of the dream course, it definitely helped put more of what path dreaming is into fuller context. You've said you believe that lesson should be first, and I agree. I think it helps us get to the point a bit quicker.
Last autumn, when I was going through cancer treatment, I was recalling more. I had time to really rest. I had a true dream around mid January after treatment ended and it sort of rearranged what I was already practicing into this more succinct, less strenuous perception. It's also been pretty isolating in similar ways that you've mentioned.
I am currently in the bleeding circle with L and am appreciating having made a commitment, but also that there is a looseness around it and a "come as you are, but come" attitude about it. This may not be the right method for a course like this, but I'm noticing that my system appreciates the softness.
As far as the pricing/monetary issues-- A monthly payment is more manageable for me than a lump sum most times. I'm also interested in helping split costs for Ming's recordings, however, I cannot commit to that at this moment, but will be able in a few months from now. I did see your post about that in the old Dao of the Night fb group a couple months ago, and it's still in the back of my mind. I was planning on tackling the Healing Apprenticeship series this coming year, but I'm open
Thanks for this, very helpful comments
I’m really struggling to integrate what is already available.. (baby face)
lately I have this probably pointless ‘compare and contrast’ going on in my study between, what’s Buddhism about and what’s Daoism about, and although I won’t be able to perceive reality properly, which operating system results in the least harmful side effects, and then there’s the book by Krishnamurti about No belief and then there’s you. So your work is generally like a kind of neural nudge which is the most digestible as it is directed in real time with understanding of the really vexing symbol systems of western colonisation which coat every possible morsel of wisdom and make it indigestible. I can see why people’s communication would be so frustrating, we are always revealing ourselves. Words have caught us. I’m seemingly obsessed with the word ‘belief’. Anyway I know you have a vast back catalogue and from time to time pointing back to notable work you’ve already completed with reference to current reflections would help little-me. I do keep in mind donating for useful content and would like to share more of the fundamental stuff too. I think I may have found an IRL friend to help me with meditation practice so that’s cool, sorry this is really long comment
Yes, both orthodox buddhism and orthodox daoism are extremely complex: historically, politically, culturally as well as practically. Its a serious issue and thats why we see buddhism and other forms of wisdom get weaponized by narcissists and neo liberal white people.
I hear you and ive been there.
Ive read a lot of books, talked with various teachers, spent a lot of my very little money over the last ten years, etc.
If you really want to practice, i do think that getting some coaching or whatever u want to call it, with a teacher you resonate with is helpful. At least to narrow down which practices to focus on and where your narratives are getting in the way etc.
its a lot, and fear of sunk cost and also cultic issues are always in the field of possibility.
For instance, for me, as a guide/educator, many ppl over the years have fallen in love with me against my consent (parasocial relationships) and then very quickly turned to hatred and slander against me when i enact boundaries or correct their behaviors, understanding etc.
This shit is rampant in the society of self development and mysticism.
I’ve started noting down significant dreams recently but that’s as far as I’ve got - I’d love to learn a deeper skill set over time and would be very happy to pay monthly or a chunk at the beginning. Anti climactic clarity yes please! Thanks and solidarity with the bitter gristle chewing.
thanks for the comment, am discerning what/how/etc
I'm just starting to work on basic hygiene, have been commiting to the daily seasonal practice (just barely) for about two months, including silent seated meditation, and I am currently in Jungian Analysis.
I have benefitted deeply from the recordings I have of your previous containers (I think I have the first five or six sessions) and I am interested in the dream yoga and all future Ming offerings.
I gather I'm (at least) years behind this cohort/container in terms of practice -- as opposed to surveying material and occasionally "trying out" practices you've offered (as well as other less valuable and perhaps even harmful week-end warrior type activities) which I've been doing for many years. I am trying to give my own solitary art and group movement practices more structure.
I would like to promote you and the work in ways that are in integrity.
Chronic health issues (sometimes) and earning money (always) takes their toll on me. When the timing and offering is right, I can usually pay up front to about $300.00 US, more than that requires some kind of plan.
It is probably not time yet for me to commit, honestly. My 2025 timeline includes the monthly subscriber sessions you are already offering and maybe other subscriber and individually paid work. I just wanted to join the roll call, even though I'm taking it all perhaps prohibitively slow.